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hilf

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Ambush disabled by saving.
« on: August 05, 2017, 07:35:51 AM »
1. Download a save https://www.dropbox.com/s/t0dzm9w2gt42izg/SaveDisablesAmbush.zip?dl=0
2. Aim at armory guard. THC should be 89%.
3. Quicksave.
4. THC is 75% :(
5. Quickload.
6. THC is back to 89% :)

Same with manual saves.
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Re: Ambush disabled by saving.
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2017, 12:24:41 PM »
Yep, that happen sometimes.
I think it was alrady explaned somewhere.
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Re: Ambush disabled by saving.
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2017, 12:56:35 PM »
I couldn't find this problem being mentioned neither here nor on steam forums.

I did mention it in my pistolero build, i was just ... too lazy to report a bug :-[
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Re: Ambush disabled by saving.
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2017, 01:00:28 PM »
Can confirm it happens to me too.

Also another thing related to Ambush- if you throw a grenade, the light level in its area of effect is set to max until the next turn- meaning you can throw a grenade at an enemy standing in total darkness and get the Ambush bonus until the next turn.

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Re: Ambush disabled by saving.
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2017, 03:23:35 PM »
I think it isn't actual Ambush bug - it is something general with engine, you can see number of THC are changing upon reload in many cases.

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Re: Ambush disabled by saving.
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2017, 03:49:01 PM »
It probably has something to do with light level rather than Ambush itself.

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Re: Ambush disabled by saving.
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2017, 08:12:20 PM »
Ah, nice to get a discussion on this, now Styg will certainly have to fix it if he didn't already!

I think Fenix is on the right track. I mentioned the same weird THC behavior on save/load to Styg quite some time ago. IIRC he suspected some part of the session might be cached wrongly, could be the light level. If that's the case, it matches with my observations of this happening only in some zones, likely ones that don't use the default light level.
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Re: Ambush disabled by saving.
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2017, 06:57:10 AM »
Yeah, there's something going on with the light level calculations. I'll have to look into it when I get the time. It's not a priority, though, given how specific it is.

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Re: Ambush disabled by saving.
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2017, 02:54:00 PM »
I think it isn't actual Ambush bug - it is something general with engine, you can see number of THC are changing upon reload in many cases.
I think Fenix is on the right track.
I just checked and you guys are right. Same thing happens without Ambush. Moreover, with Night Vision Googles active THC does not change.

It means the problem affects all ranged weapon users and stealthers.
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