Author Topic: Stats and Skills calculator  (Read 11934 times)

jagged-jim

  • Probably not a Spambot
  • *
  • Posts: 7
  • Karma: +2/-0
    • View Profile
Stats and Skills calculator
« on: May 10, 2015, 09:38:25 AM »
I created a simple calculator to plan out my characters, so wanted to share it.

It is a simple html file (attached) - open it with your favourite browser. Calculation is in the java script tag <script>...</script>. Feel free to modify and distribute it however you want.

Usage:
0. Open with browser...
1. Just start assigning stats and skills either by entering numbers or using buttons.
2. Stat/Skill pool balance will indicate if your character is valid for the choosen level. (Negative pool is obviously bad.)
3. Skill value is read as follows: [skill] (effective skill) [skill balance - negative if max value per level breached]
4. Increase Level to obtain more skill points and a stat each 4. level.

All synergies are considered. Calculations are done according to underrail wiki.

« Last Edit: May 10, 2015, 11:12:44 AM by jagged-jim »

epeli

  • Wiki Administrator
  • Faceless
  • ***
  • Posts: 1375
  • Karma: +101/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Stats and Skills calculator
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2015, 09:59:54 AM »
Pretty cool. People not registered & logged in can't see attachments, so I guess I could reveal the character builder I made a while ago as an alternative: http://underrail.info.tm

All synergies are considered. Calculations are done according to underrail wiki.
Nope! Your calculator does it wrong. :P Synergies cannot boost skills beyond their maximum for your current level.
[[Underrail Wiki]] // character build tool: underrail.info.tm (thread)

SadBaxter

  • Zoner
  • **
  • Posts: 66
  • Karma: +8/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Stats and Skills calculator
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2015, 10:13:25 AM »
Nope! Your calculator does it wrong. :P Synergies cannot boost skills beyond their maximum for your current level.
What does this mean exactly? I've heard it mentioned but if that means that the number in parentheses in the skills menu isn't used for skill checks that doesn't seem right.

jagged-jim

  • Probably not a Spambot
  • *
  • Posts: 7
  • Karma: +2/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Stats and Skills calculator
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2015, 10:14:39 AM »
You mean synergies cannot boost effective skill? Because i only added the boost to the effective skill, not the raw skill value.

epeli

  • Wiki Administrator
  • Faceless
  • ***
  • Posts: 1375
  • Karma: +101/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Stats and Skills calculator
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2015, 10:20:54 AM »
Synergies cannot boost the effective skill value beyond the natural maximum for your current level (10+5*lvl), only stat and item bonuses can boost skills above that.

edit: You can easily test this yourself. For example, make a character with 4 will and put 15 points in all 3 psi skills. Compare results of your builder, my builder and Underrail.
[[Underrail Wiki]] // character build tool: underrail.info.tm (thread)

SadBaxter

  • Zoner
  • **
  • Posts: 66
  • Karma: +8/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Stats and Skills calculator
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2015, 10:43:38 AM »
You're absolutely right. I just did a little calculating in game, skill synergies don't improve a skill beyond the max you can increase it via skill points for that level. I guess I didn't realize because I didn't know how big the skill bonuses for stats were.

So there's very little point in skill synergies for skills you're already maxing out, but having high levels in one skill can mean you can put a few points in a skill that gets a bonus from it and bring it up to a usable level maybe. Verryyy interesting...

jagged-jim

  • Probably not a Spambot
  • *
  • Posts: 7
  • Karma: +2/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Stats and Skills calculator
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2015, 11:15:10 AM »
Yep, just checked the wiki. Fixed the calculator accordingly - attached file modified in OP.

Nice tool epeli.
In my calc i tried to allow faster stat and skill assignment. So you don't have to assign levels before you increase skills :)

SadBaxter

  • Zoner
  • **
  • Posts: 66
  • Karma: +8/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Stats and Skills calculator
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2015, 12:04:21 PM »
I've just added epeli's character creator to the character creation page on the wiki (with their permission), jagged jim would you like to add yours? Just so people have a choice of tools to use. I'm not sure how it'd work, as I'm unsure how filehosting works on wikis, or whether it could added as its own wiki page or something.

epeli

  • Wiki Administrator
  • Faceless
  • ***
  • Posts: 1375
  • Karma: +101/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Stats and Skills calculator
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2015, 12:24:58 PM »
In my calc i tried to allow faster stat and skill assignment. So you don't have to assign levels before you increase skills :)
Yeah, your tool definitely has its benefits.
I started mine with the idea of reflecting in-game behavior and visually resembling Underrail's character creation condensed to one page. Anything created with my tool can also be created in-game, since stats can't be set to impossible numbers.

However, you can ctrl-click to assign all points at once, or shift-click to assign 5 points (one level's worth) at once. I find that faster than typing numbers in.

I've just added epeli's character creator to the character creation page on the wiki (with their permission), jagged jim would you like to add yours? Just so people have a choice of tools to use. I'm not sure how it'd work, as I'm unsure how filehosting works on wikis, or whether it could added as its own wiki page or something.
The problem with wikis is that articles can only use wikitext and a limited subset of "safe" HTML. Perhaps the best solution would be if jagged-jim hosts his tool somewhere? That way he could also easily update it and people not registered/logged in here could also see it.
[[Underrail Wiki]] // character build tool: underrail.info.tm (thread)

jagged-jim

  • Probably not a Spambot
  • *
  • Posts: 7
  • Karma: +2/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Stats and Skills calculator
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2015, 12:42:17 PM »
As epeli's tool is already hosted (and looks pretty cool), i guess it should be used/linked. I'll look into wiki, maybe i'll attach mine somewhere.

Wildan

  • Scavenger
  • ***
  • Posts: 202
  • Karma: +53/-3
  • Slayer
    • View Profile
Re: Stats and Skills calculator
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2015, 01:03:35 PM »
Cheap Shots needs only 6 dex to be chosable, your calculator demands 7 (the tooltip is correct though).
Would it be able to represent all values through the url? When hosted it would allow easy build sharing with url links.

epeli

  • Wiki Administrator
  • Faceless
  • ***
  • Posts: 1375
  • Karma: +101/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Stats and Skills calculator
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2015, 01:36:54 PM »
Cheap Shots needs only 6 dex to be chosable, your calculator demands 7 (the tooltip is correct though).
Would it be able to represent all values through the url? When hosted it would allow easy build sharing with url links.

Oops. Fixed.
Loading from URL is a great idea, I should have done that instead of cookies in the first place! It should be possible to implement, at least I hope so. The web redirect I use might be problematic with that. I'll have to look into it at some point.

I also had plans for Underrail .char file export so you could load characters made with that tool directly in Underrail. But the tool needs more stuff before that's possible and I haven't even looked at Styg's file formats yet. (That's also why there's .txt export, I was just testing how to write files with JS.)


In other words:
[[Underrail Wiki]] // character build tool: underrail.info.tm (thread)

Wildan

  • Scavenger
  • ***
  • Posts: 202
  • Karma: +53/-3
  • Slayer
    • View Profile
Re: Stats and Skills calculator
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2015, 02:37:19 PM »
Epeli are the exact formulas known in the way how component quality affects weapon damage, armor resistances etc? I planed to make an item crafting chart in Excel (I suck at Java) in a similar way like I did for the game "Dead State".
Look here: http://www.irontowerstudio.com/forum/index.php/topic,6338.0.html Unlike in Underrail the weapon values are fixed though so it would get way more complicated.
I attached the .xlsx file here in the case it won't display for unregistered users.

Btw. I recommend that game strongly for anyone enjoying Underrail. The game developer is a small team and just like here they interact alot with the community for feedback.

SadBaxter

  • Zoner
  • **
  • Posts: 66
  • Karma: +8/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Stats and Skills calculator
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2015, 02:41:55 PM »
Loading from URL is a great idea, I should have done that instead of cookies in the first place! It should be possible to implement, at least I hope so. The web redirect I use might be problematic with that. I'll have to look into it at some point.

Make sure to use some kind of compression on the string for stats or you're going to end up with 500 character long URLs

epeli

  • Wiki Administrator
  • Faceless
  • ***
  • Posts: 1375
  • Karma: +101/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Stats and Skills calculator
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2015, 04:34:56 PM »
Epeli are the exact formulas known in the way how component quality affects weapon damage, armor resistances etc?

Nope. It will take a lot of testing to get all that info out and different blueprints treat components differently. But eventually all components and blueprints will have all of their details listed on the wiki. At least that's the plan.

Make sure to use some kind of compression on the string for stats or you're going to end up with 500 character long URLs

Hehe, don't worry. I also like clean URLs, which is why I slapped a web redirect on top of that tool (it's hosted on dropbox lol). I promise it won't be 2 KB long URL like Google reverse image search results. :P

But even without any compression, a complete level 25 build is only about 127 characters long as a csv string. There really isn't all that much data in it. But I compressed the string anyways.

You now also get a build link straight to your address bar when saving cookie.
[[Underrail Wiki]] // character build tool: underrail.info.tm (thread)