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General / Re: Syphoner man?
« Last post by Megaost on Today at 02:59:10 AM »
Wow, thanks man! I think it's because I didn't enter the room with the Tchortists that I didn't get the branch at first.

Who was it that said Eidein's body was never found again? I agree though, it does strongly imply that they have him in their possession. Why "death" though? Is there something else I have forgotten about?

I agree 100% about the writing. The writing, story and character development in this game is just about the best I have ever encountered. To me this is the main reason that this game has such staying power. There's always something to discover and discuss. It's strange how the best games just come falling out of the sky sometimes. This is easily in my top five list of all games I have ever played.
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General / Re: Syphoner man?
« Last post by Altos on Today at 02:12:44 AM »
As always, caveat lector. This post contains major spoilers.


Could you tell me what the particular conversation branch for this is? I tried to replay a Deep Caverns save after my last post here to talk to the commander, but I couldn't seem to get any information about Eidein from him. Underrail shows as "Underrail [Experimental]" in steam, with the experimental beta being opted into. Is this all that is required? Maybe the save is too old, or shouldn't that matter as long as I am playing the experimental branch?

I'd be happy to help. :)

The information concerning Eidein's fate is revealed in dialogue by selecting the option "I noticed that you have Tchortist captives in the base." This option only becomes available, naturally, after the player enters the room adjacent to the Commander's where the captives are being held and (I think) initiates dialogue with one of them.

Selecting this options leads to the Faceless Commander telling you that they were captured during the invasion, at which point you can select "Did you read their minds as well?" and then "Can you tell me what you found out?" following that.

This results in the Commander telling you a lot of really neat information about the Institute, Tchortism, ulterior motives, and all that fun stuff. Selecting "What are their motives? Power?" yields more information, this time on Eidein and Tchort specifically. At this point you should select "And why do you think that is what Eidein's goal was?", which results in the following paragraph being relayed.

"His body has yet to be examined, but we have sufficient data to assume that Eidein had underwent multiple mutations over the years, altering his appearance, capabilities and lifespan to a significant degree, and that he had no intention of halting his personal progress. The concealing nature of his as well as all Tchortist clothing exist for that reason -- so that he may work on himself under the mask of secrecy; by sharing it with his subordinates he legitimizes it, makes it appear transparent when it is in fact oblique."

Pretty cool stuff, right? Although, this statement does not directly confirm that the Faceless have obtained Eidein's body, only that it has yet to be examined (but one can assume that it is in their possession, as they would have to be the world's biggest idiots not to claim it immediately after his "death").

Also, may I just say that I think the writing in this game is excellent. Seriously, all the people who say that Underrail has sh*tty writing clearly never made it past Junkyard. The writing is brilliant, and I love you guys for it. Keep it up, StygSoft. :)
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Bugs / Re: Intricacies - 1.0.1.4
« Last post by Lucifuga on July 21, 2017, 10:18:54 PM »
Mushroom Forest - Out of bounds

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General / Re: Syphoner man?
« Last post by Megaost on July 21, 2017, 08:54:25 PM »
Wow, so much cool lore in this thread that I haven't discovered yet!

Yeah, I definitely see what you mean, but given the info presented by the Faceless Commander (that is: that the Faceless collected his body), I think it's safe to say that they are not the same person. Although, maybe it was the physical appearance of the Mouth of Tchort which inspired Eidein's costume?

Oh, and sorry for derailing this thread so much. :P

Could you tell me what the particular conversation branch for this is? I tried to replay a Deep Caverns save after my last post here to talk to the commander, but I couldn't seem to get any information about Eidein from him. Underrail shows as "Underrail [Experimental]" in steam, with the experimental beta being opted into. Is this all that is required? Maybe the save is too old, or shouldn't that matter as long as I am playing the experimental branch?
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General / Re: Syphoner man?
« Last post by Lucifuga on July 21, 2017, 06:55:04 PM »
I aquired a picture from another player showing a human corps of a syphon. i dont think this person was meming though.

If you must know, that was a shroom trip gone wrong. Lucifuga likes breaking everything he can with traps, so he went and killed one of the motion hallucinations... or maybe it wasn't a hallucination? Maybe he was talking with a frog all the time? Whichever the case, that is not the siphoner man you're looking for.

Real siphoner men wear clothes! Naked siphoner men would just cause A Heap Of Trouble.

Danmit! well thanks for the information on that one. guess ill delete the little post on that one.

Guilty as charged

Set up the traps beforehand and then talked to Sergio the Wizard to get into motion
Was initially curious if the old man's inventory changed when he transforms but it looks to be just a graphic swap vs a character one
Was hoping for an unobtainable drop forgotten during development
Took a screenshot of the scene to add on to the mysticism of the anomaly - Here be the place

Sorry to have yanked your chain like that
Best of luck finding him
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General / Re: Syphoner man?
« Last post by snake2243 on July 21, 2017, 04:26:48 PM »
I aquired a picture from another player showing a human corps of a syphon. i dont think this person was meming though.

If you must know, that was a shroom trip gone wrong. Lucifuga likes breaking everything he can with traps, so he went and killed one of the motion hallucinations... or maybe it wasn't a hallucination? Maybe he was talking with a frog all the time? Whichever the case, that is not the siphoner man you're looking for.

Real siphoner men wear clothes! Naked siphoner men would just cause A Heap Of Trouble.

Danmit! well thanks for the information on that one. guess ill delete the little post on that one.
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General / Re: Syphoner man?
« Last post by epeli on July 21, 2017, 07:41:59 AM »
I aquired a picture from another player showing a human corps of a syphon. i dont think this person was meming though.

If you must know, that was a shroom trip gone wrong. Lucifuga likes breaking everything he can with traps, so he went and killed one of the motion hallucinations... or maybe it wasn't a hallucination? Maybe he was talking with a frog all the time? Whichever the case, that is not the siphoner man you're looking for.

Real siphoner men wear clothes! Naked siphoner men would just cause A Heap Of Trouble.
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General / Re: Syphoner man?
« Last post by snake2243 on July 21, 2017, 02:56:29 AM »
(I don't feel like covering this entire post in spoiler-text, so here's your spoiler warning for those who haven't beaten the game yet. Caveat lector!)


He has a point though, there is a resemblance. It's very likely Eidein is simply the only successful of the rejects so far. Or maybe rejects are unsuccessful copies of Eidein?

Hmm... a good theory, but that doesn't explain why all of Aiden Traver's memories are retained if he is a Reject himself (unless they transplanted his brain, but that's too easy of an excuse! ;) ). I can definitely see the latter being the case, though it fails to explain why the Mouth of Tchort is where it is.

Instead, perhaps the Mouth of Tchort itself is a Reject who escaped into the Deep Caverns and was subdued by Tchort? It definitely doesn't seem to me like the Mouth is speaking autonomously. Rather, I think the Eye is using the Mouth as a mobile set of vocal cords, so to speak.

Alternatively, it could be that the Mouth of Tchort was sent there deliberately by the Tchortists to speak on their god's behalf, and is therefore itself a successful Reject?

Lastly, perhaps the Rejects were created using the genetic data of the Mouth of Tchort, who predates the Rejects and the Institute entirely?

Or maybe it's none of the above! I suppose only the devs know.

Danm you syphoner man, danm you, being difficult as fuck to find. theirs no reason to believe syphoner man is a hoax or just some meme mystery.

Well, Styg posted a Pepe meme here a while back, so anything's possible.

EDIT: What's more, he posted that meme in the other siphoner man thread, so my bet's still on this all just being a hoax or dev in-joke.
or maybe the real siphoner man was inside us all along *inspiring jingle plays*

ya i was the one who made that thread, once I dont believe that it's just a meme. also if you go back and look at my post at the start of this thread, I aquired a picture from another player showing a human corps of a syphon. i dont think this person was meming though.
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General / Re: Syphoner man?
« Last post by reinhark on July 21, 2017, 02:44:25 AM »
The mouth itself can be explained very simply if you ask me. There has been... other examples of people like him, didn't we? Merged together as Tchortling like thing.

*Wink wink nudge nudge*

It is highly unlikely that Eldein being only successful specimen. Didn't Tchortist have some other unit of newly bio-engineered unit? The name escapes me for a moment... (they look more buffed than heavily armored compared to normal Tchortists)

It should be noted that most tchortists have similar masks, especially those bio-engineered unit. I can guess how it looks inside.

It is most likely that they have been experimenting with the Tchort genes. New bio solders - gene mods are their end products, Eldein is another. Rejects are merely the means to an end.
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General / Re: Syphoner man?
« Last post by Altos on July 20, 2017, 08:48:21 PM »
(I don't feel like covering this entire post in spoiler-text, so here's your spoiler warning for those who haven't beaten the game yet. Caveat lector!)


He has a point though, there is a resemblance. It's very likely Eidein is simply the only successful of the rejects so far. Or maybe rejects are unsuccessful copies of Eidein?

Hmm... a good theory, but that doesn't explain why all of Aiden Traver's memories are retained if he is a Reject himself (unless they transplanted his brain, but that's too easy of an excuse! ;) ). I can definitely see the latter being the case, though it fails to explain why the Mouth of Tchort is where it is.

Instead, perhaps the Mouth of Tchort itself is a Reject who escaped into the Deep Caverns and was subdued by Tchort? It definitely doesn't seem to me like the Mouth is speaking autonomously. Rather, I think the Eye is using the Mouth as a mobile set of vocal cords, so to speak.

Alternatively, it could be that the Mouth of Tchort was sent there deliberately by the Tchortists to speak on their god's behalf, and is therefore itself a successful Reject?

Lastly, perhaps the Rejects were created using the genetic data of the Mouth of Tchort, who predates the Rejects and the Institute entirely?

Or maybe it's none of the above! I suppose only the devs know.

Danm you syphoner man, danm you, being difficult as fuck to find. theirs no reason to believe syphoner man is a hoax or just some meme mystery.

Well, Styg posted a Pepe meme here a while back, so anything's possible.

EDIT: What's more, he posted that meme in the other siphoner man thread, so my bet's still on this all just being a hoax or dev in-joke.
or maybe the real siphoner man was inside us all along *inspiring jingle plays*
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