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Underrail => General => Topic started by: Styg on January 25, 2013, 01:45:37 am
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Wiki is at stygiansoftware.com/wiki (http://stygiansoftware.com/wiki).
If you want an account, PM me on forums or on Discord.
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A wiki would be awesome, and I would love to contribute with as much as possible.
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Jupp, would be keen to have one! would try my best to contribute what I can
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Yeah, making it would be very nice, otherwise the forums really will get swarmed with the same questions... because people can't bother to use 'search' function.
I'll search for the free wiki sites after I'll come back home, but I don't know how much I can write there alone... so I'll be counting on you, guys! Of course if somebody else already has an idea where and how create it then please let me know, just to not be redundant :).
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Okay, I'll doublepost to alert people who already saw this thread. I've found sites like http://www.wikispaces.com/ or http://www.wiki-site.com/index.php/Wiki_Creation_-_Create_A_Wiki_For_Free%21 so it's not really an issue. The question is - will we have dedicated team to fill it in? Because as I'm of now the amount of time that can be consumed by updating is really low (I've got few projects here and there).
So I guess WolveNZ and nackidno both are volunteering to fill the blanks? :P. Or are there more people who would like to contribute?
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Styg said he would host it, no?
It is a wiki, people can fill it all they want, but it needs a few dedicated people to keep it clean and check the legitimacy of the information added.
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Welp, yeah it seems like I somehow misread it... well anyway my point stands - I'll be happy to contribute, but the amount of free time I have really isn't staggering :).
Anyway Underrail Wiki FTW!
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Ok, guys. I'll look into setting up the wiki and doing the basic layout.
I'll keep you posted.
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How's the wiki coming along? :)
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How's the wiki coming along? :)
It's in the queue. Don't worry, I haven't forgotten about it. :)
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Quick update. I've installed the wiki and started figuring out how to customize it (looks, templates, etc).
Unless I find someone I can delegate this work to, it'll take some time before it's ready for editing, but it's coming.
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Nice, not a clue on Web-based shizmo myself! But im sure theirs a community member that knows his way around, somewhere...
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Well, instead of a Wiki, how about a simple thread for now that has a list of posts, each post contains a different topic, like one does weapons and armor, one does craft recipes, one does location of NPC's, etc.
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I'm +1 for a wiki. But not at the cost of development timing... :)
Game first, wiki later imo
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Well, instead of a Wiki, how about a simple thread for now that has a list of posts, each post contains a different topic, like one does weapons and armor, one does craft recipes, one does location of NPC's, etc.
That's not a bad idea, but what I'll probably do instead is focus on those articles of wiki first that don't require much template work. Such as explaining the basic concepts and game mechanics details.
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I've had good and bad experiences with wikis. The main bad one is the GearHead wiki which got wiped accidentally. No one had a backup. :(
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Here guys I made a Wikia page for UnderRail.
Wikia.com is rly easy to use and works fine!
http://underrail.wikia.com - I need some help to create the "home" page.
http://underrail.wikia.com/wiki/UnderRail - I made this article in about 20 min, I never worked with wikipedia or wikia before. :p
Here are some examples of successful wikia pages.
http://fallout.wikia.com
http://wasteland.wikia.com
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http://underrail.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Primary_statistics
Added a new page. Styg might want to take a look at it when he's got the time and correct any mistakes and maybe add hard facts that is not explicit in the game.
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Cool stuff, guys. :)
I'll help out as soon as I get done with this patch.
Ideally, I'd like to host the wiki on my site and customized the theme and all, but since I really don't have the time to do all that stuff this might be good alternative.
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There are no traits in Underrail and the Perk page needs to be changed to Feats. I don't have permission to change the page though.
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Guys dont panic!
I just played around yesterday to see how wikia works. You all are welcome to change everything!
just create an acc there and I will change the permition stuff
I have already one infobox. I will make more infoboxes for characters and we need a page where we can put all templates for easy and fast access.
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Ugh, I hate Wikia. Half of the layout is filled with useless crap, unless you log in and change it to monobook layout from personal options, in which case it differs so much from wikia's standard it becomes hard to build pages that look good in both. I'm not too excited about this, but I guess it's better than nothing.
The main page looks horrible, the source code is a mess and the actual content page is located at Template:Main_Contents rather than Underrail_Wiki for some reason I cannot fathom.
Why is pretty much everything in the category namespace? What's going on with half of the links at the front page? Oh god, this is going to be a handful...
Also, permission problems: registered users cannot move pages in namespace category.
For example, http://underrail.wikia.com/wiki/Special:MovePage/Category:Perks - would've moved it to Category:Feats
The main page was a free/demo layout from the wikia community. I thought it would be cool to use and edit it. :p
Most of the stuff is copy/pasta from wasteland2/fallout wikia.
You can check both wikias to see how they organized everything in categories. Because we cant just list all 1000 npc names in the main page.
Thats why we need a category "NPC" where all names are listed in alphabetical order.
The "main_content" template was just a Menu I put in the Main Page with all links to the categories. In this way ppl can edit the main page and move "main_content" menu around.
Imo we need to put only key words in a list or menu at the main page and then link to a more detailed page with a list and explanation for example; "Perk" key word links to http://underrail.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Perks where we can go further and select one perk from the list.
I hope you guys understand what I mean :p and if you think it looks horrible or that I choose the wrong colors and stuff then help me to edit it! Im not a pro.
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I think the main page is a bit too long now and a tad bit overdeveloped. The Fallout and Wasteland wiki got it right, simple and understandable.
Also, add a solid background to the pages please, the transparency hurts my eyes when I read/edit pages.
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Yeah I understand. I will add a solid background but it will cover the good artwork piece. :p
be be sure you make an acc there because you get more privileges by editing stuff.
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Are there game files we can look at to extract descriptions of items, feats, etc.?
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I don't have them in separate files but I can split them into that. However, some icons are multi part with variable transparency so that you'd have to get from the game directly.
Game text is a bit all over the place, unfortunately, and you won't be able to extract it that easily because I don't use XNA's default pipeline for anything but sound and graphics I think.
Btw, how much does Wikia actually help with creating content/layouts? I have MediaWiki installed on my site if you guys would rather work with that.
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like Epeli said, leave the main page edits to someone more experienced in that and just add content pages.. but before we start uploading all information we need to make infoboxes for characters,items, weapons, armors.
and we need to get the right colors.. are we going to stick with purple, black and orange??
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1. I worked on the GearHead wiki for several years and was very much dismayed when one day all the data got lost and was not backed up. On the other hand, Wikia has staff on hand to fix things when they go broke. And they presumably do regular backups.
2. The GearHead wiki also suffered from large numbers of spambots that cluttered up the site with male enhancement adverts and the like. These had to be trimmed by hand by dedicated users and was a major pain in the ass. Wikia probably has better security to keep this from happening.
3. Users who already have a Wikia account for one of the many other wikis hosted there will not have to create and remember yet another user account.
4. Wikia likely also updates periodically to the latest version of MediaWiki, saving our admins from having to perform this risky maneuver.
Of course Wikia has tons of advertisements that get annoying fast.
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I don't have time right now to make templates, etc.
I'm just asking if you're guys going to the trouble of doing it anyway, could you do it on MediaWiki that I hosted.
@epeli About point 2. do you know for a fact that MediaWiki can integrate with SMF or are you assuming?
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@epeli About point 2. do you know for a fact that MediaWiki can integrate with SMF or are you assuming?
http://blogs.simplemachines.org/dev/461612/SMF+MediaWiki+integration+released.html
Cool, I'll take a look.
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I made some tentative item infobox templates:
http://underrail.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Infobox_item for items in general
http://underrail.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Infobox_weapon for weapons
http://underrail.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Infobox_component for components
http://underrail.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Infobox_armor for armor
Each page has syntax help and an example how to use. Let me know what you think!
http://underrail.wikia.com/wiki/Health_hypo here's also a practical example of a page utilizing the generic item infobox
Their code should also be quite simple to read (simple wikitables (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Table) with if parser function (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23if)), in case you want to modify them or make more infobox templates for specific item types.
These look pretty cool. One of the problems with the generated/crafted items such as weapons and armors is that their stats are not constant but rather depend on the quality of the items used when crafting them (or generating them in the background which uses the same process). I guess on the pages for those items there could be a few samples of the variations and a link to the blueprint page where there would be explanations how each component influences the resulting item. I could fill up the latter.
When components are concerned quality of each of these falls into certain ranged, e.g. Cave Hopper leather caps at 25 quality or something. I can fill up this exact range when you guys make a page for the component.
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Yeah, those infoboxes just mimic the in-game infobox.
I figured they could be used for samples of items with dynamic quality. Their stat ranges and other metainfo such as stackability, vendors who sell it, etc. could be explained on the item page after the infobox. Or the infoboxes themselves could just contain the stat ranges?
Aaaand how should we paginate items with complex crafting recipes?
Probably have a page for the main item, eg. 5mm Hawker and redirect 5mm Hawker LS, XM and LS XM to it. Then list all the possible optional components for the item and their effects, OR just link into the blueprint to avoid redundant redundancy.
Speaking of which, blueprint infobox would probably be the next one. Any ideas on how to do that?
http://underrail.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Infobox_blueprint is what I came up with, but it needs more work to look acceptable.
In the Hawker case I think it would just be fine to link to "Hawker" pistol and then mention the main variations (caliber) and the main part required (Hawker pistol frame) and for all the extensions etc just link to the blueprint. Then redirect all the possible hawkers to hawker page.
About the blueprint infobox, you can add icons and names from the in game blueprint (I can provide you with icons). For optional components you'll want to specify the difficulty modifier.
Btw, I tried that SMF-MediaWiki integration and couldn't get it to work. I'll try some more tomorrow, but it seems that extension hasn't been updated for quite some time.
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Looks awesome. That should definitely be the default look.
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I've got MediaWiki up a while back. You can access it at www.underrail.com/wiki (http://www.underrail.com/wiki).
So if you're up for it, make an account there and I'll give you the rights so you try can migrate the css, templates and what content currently is on wikia there.
EDIT: Couldn't make the SMF integration to work, so we'll go for separate accounts for now.
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- "$wgStylePath/common/images/wiki.png"
- done
- they are
I've given you the 'bureaucrat' rights. That enough?
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Styg - Do you use a tool to edit/view item descriptions and stats? It would be helpful for anyone working on the wiki.
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Styg - Do you use a tool to edit/view item descriptions and stats? It would be helpful for anyone working on the wiki.
Yes, of course. But I can't provide you this tool (technical and other reasons). Sorry.
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Would you be willing to dump this info to a text file(s)?
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Going to need admin rights to get the wiki started - to change the Mediawiki interface pages (css/sidebar) and to protect pages (I'll make some special internal templates).
Other than that, I'm perfectly fine with just user rights, but it might be a good idea to have some active admins on your wiki, in case of vandalism.
Gave you admin rights.
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Would you be willing to dump this info to a text file(s)?
Will see if there's an easy way to do this. Can't promise anything, though.
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Good job. Copied the image.
I posted about the wiki around the social channel so hopefully that will get us a couple more contributors.
Btw, if you guys want to make a page about something but are not 100% clear on how it's working in terms of numbers and exact mechanics, go ahead and do it anyways. I'll be scanning through the wiki regularly and adding/correcting that sort of stuff.
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Mighty fine work on the new main page!
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I'll checked the main yesterday and today after work I'll try to register an account and maybe add some stuff... but don't quote me on that :P. It's Easter so I won't be very... free.
But yeah, great work!
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Had to disable account creation because of the bot invasion. >:(
PM me or post here if you want to contribute and I'll create an account for you. I know it's not ideal, but it's all I can do until I deal with this.
Btw, does anyone know a good way to nuke all these bots?
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Can't wait for the wiki to be filled out, I like being able to plan out my character ahead of time :)
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Could I have an account with the same name as I have on the forums please?
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Nice work! :)
But I think the feats page needs a bit of tweaking since it doesn't really tell what skills are required, only the level, which can be confusing to some.
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One of the problems with the generated/crafted items such as weapons and armors is that their stats are not constant but rather depend on the quality of the items used when crafting them (or generating them in the background which uses the same process). I guess on the pages for those items there could be a few samples of the variations and a link to the blueprint page where there would be explanations how each component influences the resulting item. I could fill up the latter.
When components are concerned quality of each of these falls into certain ranged, e.g. Cave Hopper leather caps at 25 quality or something. I can fill up this exact range when you guys make a page for the component.
I recalled you saying something like that, and that gave me an idea - I made an automatic maintenance category for items with example stats (http://www.underrail.com/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Items_with_example_stats), so locating pages that need attention should be easy. This should be helpful in the future.
And I completely agree with your ideas - weapon/armor pages should probably keep the examples and leave the detailed explanation to blueprint pages, while component pages could use the exact stat ranges since they only have small variation (quality, required skills, value) and that can be easily added into the template.
Cool.
I (and anyone who wants to) can create example items for generated items (crafting results), while the components don't need them since the only variation is the quality level.
On the component pages we can just say like:
quality range: 1-50
Required crafting skills (as percentage of quality value):
Tailoring: 100%
Mechanics: 50%
You get the picture. If you can make a template like that for components, that would be nice.
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On the component pages we can just say like:
quality range: 1-50
Required crafting skills (as percentage of quality value):
Tailoring: 100%
Mechanics: 50%
You get the picture. If you can make a template like that for components, that would be nice.
You can already do that with the existing component template! I just made some small changes to it so it automatically detects quality range and adds text accordingly.
Here's an example how. (http://www.underrail.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:Epeli/Component_example) Check the source.
Not sure if I'm content with the value representation, maybe "24 x Quality" would be better than "2400% of Quality"?
Cool. Will take a look.
Regarding the difficulty factor format, either one will work fine. But it's usually 1 (100%) or between 0.5-1. Some components don't have quality though and have fixed difficulty.
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Regarding the difficulty factor format, either one will work fine. But it's usually 1 (100%) or between 0.5-1. Some components don't have quality though and have fixed difficulty.
I think the difficulty factor is fine as a %, but what about the item's value? Isn't value also quality-based (for components with variable quality) and usually something like 10-50 (1000%-5000%)? Well, I guess percentage is fine for larger multipliers as well.
Most of the components with static stats (ie. no quality) are already in the wiki. They simply omit the quality parameter from the template.
I've had some free time and I've added a fair bit of stuff to the wiki in the recent days. :)
But there's at least one component missing - the magazine upgrade for rifles. I've never even seen it in-game, I just know it exists because it has an icon and I've had many rifles that use it. What's its name?
Nice, good to see wiki finally moving along. :)
It seems I forgot to add some rifle components to the loot table and that's why they are not showing up in-game. I'll add those to the wiki myself.
As for the price of a component, if it's not fixed then it's: x + y * quality. So best to go for plain numbers.
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Nice, good to see wiki finally moving along. :)
Would probably be faster if anyone could chime in easily. The need for manual registration is not the most user-friendly. :P
I wonder what would happen if you made these changes to the user rights:
- give edit rights to everyone
- remove createpage/createtalk rights from everyone
- give createpage/createtalk rights to autoconfirmed users
set $wgAutoConfirmCount to something like 1-3
and re-enable account creation
New and anonymous users could edit existing pages and registered users could create new pages after they have $wgAutoConfirmCount edits.
Since the spambots never made more than 1-2 edits and those were always new pages, this should be restrictive enough to keep them at bay.
Ok, will give this a shot.
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Ok, I did what you suggested. We'll see if this will help with spambots.
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Didn't work out that well. Epeli, could you take a look at the recent changes and tell me why they were able to do what they did?
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I've edited some creature pages, adding exact damage resistance values. I'm not sure if I should remove a resistance value from the list if it's zero. On one hand if players are filling these pages up it makes sense to list resistances that were tested to be zero, but on the other hand the info box looks better when not cluttered up with redundant info.
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edit - Wiki maintenance stuff. I figured the wiki will have some questionable information here and there, so I made a verify template, just like the one DF wiki has. The idea is that anyone can simply add {{verify}} after any kind of info that could use verification.
Pages with {{verify}} will be listed in Category: Verify (http://www.underrail.com/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Verify) for anyone who wants to test things or do some fact-checking.
It will look something like this in practice: Enemies never detect or avoid traps that are pre-placed into the worldVerify, only player traps.
Cool stuff. I will go through these pages when time allows to clear up as much of the game mechanics as possible.
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Had to disable anonymous edits, I'm afraid due to vandalism.
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Is it okay to post information for the wiki in this thread?
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Have a 50 quality Steel cat that I managed to get during some merchant savescumming.
I might actually keep an alternate file for finding weapons and component stuff actually. I've found 2 helpful things for that sort of stuff, firstly that merchants inventories are randomized when you ask them to barter, not when you talk to them. The second thing is that disassemble gives you more weapon quality ratings you can use for getting 50 quality weapons. The degradation in quality from Disassemble is 90% but decimal places are discared entirely, meaning that if you dissassemble and reassemble a weapon of certain quality ratings, you can work it down to 50. If you find weapons with a quality of 56, 63, 70, 78, or other numbers I haven't bothered calculating, you can bring a weapon down to 50 for comparison on the wiki.
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More goodies, 50 quality jaguar, jackrabbit, harbinger, and reaper, all with their alternate barrels.
Turns out the harbinger and reaper do have different damage ranges. Nope I'm dumb, they're identical.
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Finally managed to land a 50 quality marauder and hornet. Only need to get a 50 quality falchion and impala now, probably won't be able to get a 50 quality spearhead or chimera until I make a character who doesn't use guns (gun nut is too good not to pass up).
At least it helps a bit with deciding what frames are worthwhile and such, and some of the... odd performances of certain weapon frames.
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Wait what, 9mm hornet has less lower damage range than 7.62mm and 8.6mm? :o Did you use the exact same frame for all three?
PS. It would be totally awesome if you could also keep an eye out of Q50 armor parts. Q50 metal plates, leathers, laminated and reinforced ballistic panels, one or two different vests. :3
Yep it does. Less base damage for only a slight increase in max damage. I've actually been tempted to ask about the design behind the weapon calibers in this game, as it's quite confusing to me.
The second part I could do yeah, I'm kind of burnt out on merchant savescumming for the moment but I've got a save I could use for getting together some parts for getting some armor comparisons. Armor is a little difficult because some of the breakpoints for certain components are rather large. Laminated ballistic panels require a lot of quality points to get even one point of damage threshold for example, while hybrid panels have a more even resistance scaling. Kevlar balaclavas/tabi will ALWAYS provide 2 mechanical DT so it's pointless using higher quality kevlar cloth. Player-created adaptive goggles can only ever get to 180 durability due to the components for them having no quality scaling, but you can get higher durability ones from stores.
I wouldn't mind asking the devs about some of the design decisions for crafting and stuff but I have a feeling that the things I find odd are intentional choices.
EDIT: Another thing, I did some calculating to find that the harbinger's +1% crit chance provides an almost equal average damage per shot increase when compared to the +25% crit damage of the reaper, meaning unless you want a 12.7mm harbinger the reaper is the better sniper rifle, as the +25% crit damage is better for using aimed shot.
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Okay I lied about being burnt out on finding components I ended up accidentally finding a 50 quality laser, plasma, and electroshock attachment along with a 50 energy core. After some experiments with comparing a low-quality core with a high-quality one I determined that the quality of the core does NOT affect the damage of the weapon or its energy usage or any other statistic, ONLY its capacity.
So every stat for the pistols is correct apart from the energy capacity (it should be 47 for all of them assuming a 50 quality core), and also the value. The laser pistol had a 54 quality core and the plasma had a 38 quality core, the electroshock pistol has an exact 50 quality electroshock generator and 50 quality plasma core.
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Also a 50 quality Seeker goggles and smart goggles. Sorry if I'm annoying anyone or they think I'm spamming by the way, there's a 4 attachment limit per post and also I'm posting these as I find them.
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And managed to get lucky again, comparisons of various armors.
This was actually fairly easy to do and I can safely state the following things:
-Vest quality only plays a part in item durability and secondary resistances, it does not affect any other resistances for a piece of armor it is used in (unless combined with the ballistics feat)
-Likewise, shields on riot vests only contribute to the melee block chance
So while most of the items I've made don't all have identical 50 quality components, you can combine them to get accurate ratings for its stats apart from item value.
Pictures in order of attachment:
-50 quality insulated and galvanic vest with 50 quality hybrid ballistic panel
-50 quality insulated with hybrid panel and 54 quality insulated with 50 quality laminated panel (only difference is vest durability)
-50 quality steel armor with 54 quality insulated vest. Several experiments with differing vest qualities did not change any of the mechanical or other resistances. Those are all supplied by the steel plate
-lastly 4 different riot vest configurations, all on a 54 quality insulated vest with 50 quality hybrid or laminated panels and 50 quality steel shield.
two things worth noting:
Firstly that thanks to armor component and carrier vest not interacting directly it should be easy to find out the stats of future vests/components. As long as you have one 50 quality component you can discard the other stats and aggregate.
Secondly this game has a tendency to discard decimal places, so I'm fairly certain that any components which DO interact (like adding a ceramic plate to a tactical vest) does so with whole numbers and no invisible decimal places, so you could take a 50 quality ceramic plate and attach it to any quality hybrid or laminated panel, and just remove the resistances/threshold granted by the ballistic panel.
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So I found a 50 quality Monsoon and got a bunch of components for it, and I managed to discover some potentially useful information for calculating the stats of items based on their components, meaning that it's possible to put in data for weapons without having to get an exact screenshot of the weapon in question.
So, if you look at the image, a regular, 50 quality monsoon has a value of 6450, and a quality of 690 (like all 50 quality weapons). Now, the change in stats for most components is known, but as far as I've seen how value is determined isn't known. If you compare the regular monsoon to the scoped monsoon, you'll notice its value is 9450, its value has been increased by exactly 3000, which is exactly 3 times the value of the scope, and this holds true for all the other variants as well. The first component you add to a weapon increases that weapon's value by exactly 3 times the value of that component.
Adding a second component does the same, except the total weapon value is now increased by 20%, so a super pneumatic monsoon, which should cost 19200 assuming that its value is being increased by 3 times the value of the added components, is instead worth 23040, exactly 20% more.
So, that means that instead of hunting in vain for a digital scope and making screenshots for all the other possible variants of a 50 quality monsoon, it can just be extrapolated instead. A 50 quality monsoon with a digital scope and pneumatic reloader will have (compared to a base monsoon) a 21 AP firing cost, a 23% crit chance, and will have a value of 18180.
I went and did a cursory test on an assault rifle and it worked exactly the same way, with the exception that the value of the barrel isn't counted when making one, just the value of the frame and the added components. For a tactical vest, the base value is 3 times the combined value of vest and insert, with components adding their value and the extra 20% normally
I don't know whether you're set on getting exact screenshots of weapons epeli, but this could make filling out the wiki a bit easier. You wouldn't need to have exact 50 quality components to have an exact readout of the item's stats. With a bit more information about the relationship between item quality and its stats, you could also make a browser-based crafting calculator so people can figure out what a weapon is like without having to find it and all the components in game themselves.
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Ahhh, yes fluff text and the prefix/suffix would be things that need to be known. I'll see if I can track that down for the monsoon, so that all the possible variants can be put up on its page. Having one weapon completely "finished" would be a neat achievement I think, at least until new components get added.
Is there a bounty/check list for things items/information that needs to be discovered for the wiki? That might make it easier for people to find useful things to add, beyond just looking at pages and seeing whether they've got accurate information or not. Plus it might allow more people to contribute by way of making it easier.
Also a calculator would probably be a big task, and while I love the game I don't believe it has a large enough playerbase to justify the time and effort in making it, beyond someone being curious enough to try their hand at making one.
And lastly I found a 50 quality zephyr too.
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Hokay, so after swapping around some components with a selection of random-quality crossbow frames, the way prefixes and descriptions work is that:
-The order will always be Scoped>Pneumatic>Super for the prefixes. All three scopes just give the "scoped" prefix.
-HOWEVER The order for the text added to its description is reversed, each component will add a short sentence to the end of the weapon description in the order of Super string>Pneumatic>scope
-Also there's no special text for the different scopes either.
The text added to the description is "It is equipped with an especially strong string." for the super string, "It's reloading speed is enhanced by a pneumatic reloading mechanism mounted to its sides."[sic] for a pneumatic reloader, and "It's aiming precision is increased by the mounted scope."[sic] for ALL scopes, the only difference is the stats they provide to the finished weapon.
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I bring treats, many 50 quality items but most importantly I managed to grab 50 quality energy shields, regular and efficient versions, and a 50 quality cloaking device. All components are 50 which did take a bit of work, lessened by the fact that there are 3 shops that sell electronic components in the junkyard in the quality range I needed, so it was all one round of goods, with a bunch of savescumming.
Is it okay if I keep posting stuff I find here? If it's bothersome then I'll stop being lazy and make an account on the wiki.
Anyway:
http://i.imgur.com/RNZSf5X.png Cloaking Device
http://i.imgur.com/6O7OQsW.png black cloth balaclava
http://i.imgur.com/vIYLsoY.png black cloth tabi
http://i.imgur.com/m1gompK.png motion goggles
http://i.imgur.com/NogDlvx.png adaptive goggles (the lens has no quality but the night vision version has a 50 quality core)
http://i.imgur.com/aU9XBFD.png Low frequency shield
http://i.imgur.com/ievCD82.png medium frequency shield
http://i.imgur.com/HoiVVQC.png high frequency shield
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I can have a go at finding the other components of shield emitters at 50 quality, but finding two 50 quality modulator's might be tricky, but it's not that vital. A secondary modulator simply adds 50% of that modulator's shielding to the finished emitter, ignoring decimals. So a 50 quality HF modulator will add 2 very low shielding, 6 low, 25 medium, 37 high and 48 very high. It also doesn't add anything to the finished shield's value, although it does add to its weight.
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Given that pages for items have a maximum of 8 tabs for item examples, and given how many different combinations of components there are for various items, should we just start putting what 50 quality item components do on the main item page?
Like, on the page for leather armor I could add "A 50 quality black cloth overcoat adds 17 stealth and 0.5 weight to any leather armor it is added to", and something similar for 50 quality soft padding (because I found 50 quality soft padding as well, yay).
It could also be added to the page for the item itself, as from what I see a component will always add the same benefits/drawbacks if it's used in the same way no matter what the resulting item is, a 50 quality black cloth added in the overcoat slot will always provide 17 stealth and 0.5 weight.
Just asking in the interest of consistency in style/presentation.
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From the wiki:
Normal registration and anonymous editing are currently disabled due to spambots. We're planning to open the wiki once Underrail is released.
When will wiki be opened for general public?
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From the wiki:
Normal registration and anonymous editing are currently disabled due to spambots. We're planning to open the wiki once Underrail is released.
When will wiki be opened for general public?
When I get the time to ensure that we won't be overrun by bots again. If you want an account, I can set up one for you. Just tell me what nick you'd want.
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Sent you PM with the info...
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I created the Metathermics (http://www.underrail.com/wiki/index.php?title=Metathermics), Thought Control (http://www.underrail.com/wiki/index.php?title=Thought_Control) and Psychokinesis (http://www.underrail.com/wiki/index.php?title=Psychokinesis) pages complete with a list of all (?) psi abilities of each discipline. Next step is creating and adding relevant info to each ability's article.
Please feel free to contact me should anything be wrong or missing on these articles.
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I created a "panorama" JPG image of all of the "Original Report" & "Important Dates" dialogs (after having gotten caught not remembering or having noted the answer to a question about it when I could not get back to that location to look it up).
The "dialogs" are not whole game-window captures - they're just rectangular snips of the dialog boxes.
As it might be useful to others, is it something that has a place on the wiki?
The "good" quality image is 1029 x 8671 size=2.8MB.
The "30%" quality image is 1029 x 8671 size=630KB.
(Both sizes too large for these forums, so.. no attachment here)
(A "4%" quality image is the highest QL my IrfanView can make under 128KB; and is nearly unreadable).
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Looking into Original Report in the wiki, I really miss old Underrail font. :(
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Something I noticed was that there's very little information about making reinforced boots.
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Fix Cybernetic Module oddity on wiki. From 5 xp to 3 xp.
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Totally welcome. Yeah, I guess there is need to hold actual information and descriptions. I can help with that, if you want. Anyway at the moment making 100% walkthrough of Underrail and streaming it, so it will be not hard for me to fix all descriptions and stuff. Already sent e-mail about entering wiki to Styg, to admin@ adress. So I don't know, see for yourself, should I wait till he answers or you can as since you are online.
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That wiki is a tragedy of missed opportunity. In a game like this with hardcore fans, so many deep mechanics, etc. I would expect a wealth of info.
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Do you see anyone missing?
Mareth states General Korn (http://i.imgur.com/aGYxeQw.jpg) ordered CAU to Fort Apogee
Probably a member in United Stations' Council of Five
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More names in no particular order
Including last names of some listed characters with no entries
A few on the wiki were misspelled
Hanging Rat
Mad Killian - Link (http://i.imgur.com/GtLG0RU.jpg)
Protectorate
Sergeant First Class (SFC) Timothy Holloway - Link (http://i.imgur.com/qNnJr4E.jpg)
SGS
Jo Hendrix - Link (http://i.imgur.com/mJ9kpwb.jpg)
Dude
Shoe Devourer - Unmentioned-Critters ;) - Link (http://i.imgur.com/YF0tJJF.jpg)
Ebeneezer - If you think about it all mentioned-only characters could be Ebeneezer in disguise - Link (http://i.imgur.com/X3jWlcO.jpg)
Core City
Van the JKK receptionist - Link (http://i.imgur.com/M0LlfZb.jpg)
Dave Strelnik - Link (http://i.imgur.com/YfYuTDR.jpg)
Stjepanicije - Link (http://i.imgur.com/Qb2DuK3.jpg)
Dr. Bronson - When Worlds Collide? - Link (http://i.imgur.com/oO7Krjb.jpg)
Drilleg - Critter entry - Link (http://i.imgur.com/VpZXkCV.jpg)
Free Drones
Alvin Bate - Link (https://i.imgur.com/SpV5PKa.jpg)
Corben Trenton - Link (http://i.imgur.com/7RA4vZI.jpg)
Foundry
Judge Taylor - Link (http://i.imgur.com/GBc464G.jpg)
Todor Sallywatch - Link (http://i.imgur.com/jqIYyMz.png)
Oliver Micas - Link (http://i.imgur.com/3EYz2cj.jpg)
Tchortist
Rassophore Pavel - Unlisted on the character list
Efreitor Gromis - Link (http://i.imgur.com/vMCwguY.jpg)
Captain Sagan - Technically BioCorp? - Link (http://i.imgur.com/636wzcn.jpg)
Investigator Peter - Link (http://i.imgur.com/KnT39en.jpg)
Thomas Harding - North UnderRail/Dis - Link (http://i.imgur.com/waVBwEJ.jpg) Link 2 (http://i.imgur.com/xaePUdO.jpg)
Critters locked up in cells with Psycho could use a mention Link (http://i.imgur.com/WNhsXnX.jpg) Link 2 (http://i.imgur.com/QSysJfD.jpg) Link 3 (http://i.imgur.com/wKcDpYz.jpg)
BioCorp folk
Mica Maas - Janitors matter too - Link (http://i.imgur.com/9ePHS4p.jpg)
Marcus? There was also a Bobby... - Link (http://i.imgur.com/gAYBUv0.jpg) Link 2 (http://i.imgur.com/LXaOhKX.jpg)
Slavkovic mentions great scientists - Nikolev, Frasard, Clarkson - Unsure if all linked to BioCorp - Link (http://i.imgur.com/TKnEnjW.jpg)
Dr. Robin K. Frasard - Link (http://i.imgur.com/zeDwi2C.jpg)
Louis Thorne - Maybe Core Ciry - Link (http://i.imgur.com/4ORZuf4.jpg)
Sally McKinley - Link (http://i.imgur.com/cJqmG1Z.jpg)
Mark Reed - Manager/Jailor/Hunter? - Link (http://i.imgur.com/p9SDOnD.jpg)
Colonel Salik - Link (http://i.imgur.com/DNfRfJt.jpg) Link 2 (http://i.imgur.com/oeqq0t3.jpg)
High Representative - Unsure if person or group - Link (http://i.imgur.com/ytp1uVo.png)
Misspells
WilbertJ. Samuelso - Space the two out please
Curator Nenna - Link (http://i.imgur.com/gXINvj6.jpg)
Sandy Kester - Link (http://i.imgur.com/esNXfNG.jpg)
Takao Oshiro /
Project Eos could use a mention in the BioCorp page
I noticed the page has Patterson grouped with the Bunker personnel but it sounds like he wasn't there from the e-mails
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Hello to everyone.
I want to fill the wiki with more precise information about components quality, skill requirements and price.
Price and skill requirements scaling I can inter- and extrapolate from a few samples, but I have no idea how to find out true quality ranges.
Currently there are two types of articles for components: with ranges and with examples. Both looks wrong for me.
For example plasma core article specifies 1-130 quality range, but I've found one in my pocket with quality of 131 (I've never hunted components and even don't know where I've got it).
Another example is pneumatic hammer, which shows example with quality of 42 and mechanics requirement set to 42, which doesn't match what I see in the game.
I see 2 options:
1. Just update an examples.
2. Fill ranges with what I personally saw and add ? or ≤ ≥ to indicate that range is probably wider than that. But I'm not going to grind stores, so resulting ranges will be pretty inaccurate.
So what do you think? What is better: simple examples or potentially misleading ranges?
PS Inserting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillemet caused cropping of all following text in my post. That was unexpected. =)
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Looks like I can not just add any symbol into quality parameter, because template uses it as expression (specifically expressions like {{{quality|1}}} < 0) to determinate is it range or single value (btw clever hack). Documentation says that there is an options to check or ignore errors during calculating expressions, but it will lead to accepting any text as quality range. It can be solved with regex, but https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23expr doesn't mention any regex parsers. Keep in mind, that I have no experience with writing wiki templates, so it's just my speculations.
Anyway http://www.underrail.com/wiki/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_item is in semi-protected mode, so I can't edit it.
So currently I have no options to mark range as inaccurate.
PS Sorry, didn't saw your edit. =)
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I updated all components that I had on my character in at least two exemplars, but there are much more left.
Still I think that my ranges are very misleading. Probably later I'll try to add expression error check to the template and question marks to ranges to emphasize that it's just confirmed values.
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How unfinished is the map in the wiki? I've just stumbled into a non mapped place which is... not nice to say the least.
There is an uncharted passage going west of platform 1 (next to south railroad outpost). I've confirmed that it then turns north, then north again, then it continues north with an exit east as well. The east exit has a north passage and a passage into the tunnels. Havent checked the north passage from there. In the underground the north passage continues with a passage north and it has a ladder that puts you besides the railroad into a place seemingly full of lurkers (and I hate lurkers!).
I know there is an 3d map but honestly, I cant figure how to use it properly, it's so much easier to use a flat map.
EDIT: After exploring it I found it leads to platform 2. through it you fight lurkers, crawlers and even a black crawler for good measure. As for the earlier exit east with a passage north and a tunnel entrance, I don't know where those lead yet.
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Thanks for conformation. I figured this out later and used [req / quality, (req+1) / quality) to estimate the coefficient. And again having more component exemplars helps to narrow this estimate a lot. I'll redo my first calculations this evening. (Probably this method will help others if they decide to join my effort)
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The map I was using is the one by pipboy. So far the map has been very accurate, it's only that small part that seems to be missing.
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http://underrail.com/wiki/index.php?title=Assassinate_Olivia
Wrong reward - for ass-something Olivia you will get only 1 XP in Oddity.
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http://underrail.com/wiki/index.php?title=Study_the_rock_creatures
It is possible to gain his trust by passing a persuasion check (60 effective skill required), killing the leader of Ironheads or by solving the Foundry murders.
Wrong, if you sent adventurous couple to jail you also gain major trust.
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* spoilers *
Anyone knows more about the siphoner man ?
I found the rummors hacking the console on occulus terminal.
But I dont find anything else about it.
And the wounded man outside rail crossing, on side a dead lurker.
I patched he to full health, but he still died. What I should have done ?
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OK, so I saw this thread suddenly :D so here my five kopecks.
Article about http://underrail.com/wiki/index.php?title=Meet_Lenox_Pierce had this.
Talk to Lenox twice to learn of Pat's past in Praetorian Security.
It doesn't work for me, no matter how many times you talk with him, unless you talked with someone else who told you about Patrick past in Core City.
Also, raticle about crawlers
Knowing when crawlers are nearby is half the battle. When entering an area with crawlers (or stealthed humanoids), you will know you are not alone when you hear the distinct stealth mode sound. The louder the sound, the more creatures just hid from you.
That's not the cae anymore, at least in experimental branch. Don't remember when it was implemented.
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What about helping the Black Eels? Wiki states that you can obtain SGS help by finding the Armadillo part first but that didn't work for me - did this ever work or has it been changed only recently?
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But what if Gorsky already departedin Core City? Can he return?
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Hi, the wiki is a fantastic source of information, thanks for all the hard work.
There is a small error about the Rapid Reloader mod for firearms.
The wiki states that it "does not work with other barrel enhancements", but you can use it freely with silencer, muzzle brake.
I guess the wiki should be corrected, as the loading of a firearm does not happen in the barrel end, so the Rapid Reloader is not a barrel component.
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Will you guys add swords/shotguns to the wiki before release? :D
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Signing up for the wiki is pretty broken atm, you get https://i.imgur.com/1MlEgxO.png this error whenever you try and create an account on any browser. Stackoverflow has it as a PHP settings issue
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Will the wiki be updated for Expedition? There are some DLC pages there, but I'm thinking quests and other important pages like that.
Edit: Nvm, I read back a page or two.
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Registration on the wiki has now been open for over a week without drowning under a spambot invasion, so I suppose this is it.
It's been over six years since this operation started... I never expected to do as much here as I did, but now I no longer have enough time to keep (almost) everything up to a level of quality I would be content with. Especially not with the massive surge of new content that is Expedition. I'm going to fade away from actively contributing to the wiki, but I'll still be around to handle admin tasks and probably continue doing some work on future item / game mechanics pages.
If you've found the wiki a worthwhile resource over the years, please consider registering and contributing what you can, to help all Underrail players out there.
https://www.underrail.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&type=signup
Since our editor base has been extremely small over the years, there isn't much in terms of contributor guides and such. Here's the gist of it:
https://www.underrail.com/wiki/index.php?title=Underrail_Wiki:Community_portal (also linked in the wiki sidebar)
https://www.underrail.com/wiki/index.php?title=Underrail_Wiki:Project_Expedition (just a rough progress report)
There's also a wiki channel on the official Underrail Discord, if that's your cup of tea.
Really happy about this change. There's been a few times I wanted to contribute to the wiki or add some information I would have found useful, etc.
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There is a spammer on the wiki: https://www.stygiansoftware.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/RosariaDurden
I deleted the first post and marked page for deletion, but he's back with dozens of new pages. Of course without privileges I can neither delete the pages completely, nor ban the spammer.
I think @epeli said he stopped monitoring the wiki and wanted to promote other people to watch for the wiki. I think @PaposikGG is a good candidate for this role (if he agrees).